because as i said, if he killed stacy, not to testify against the third wife, now they might bring in savio's statements and savio's conviction to show that he killed stacy. the problem here, don, is there's no body. and as you know, when no body is there, it's very hard to charge and convict, because we don't even have -- we don't even know if she's dead. we presume she is, but we don't know. that's what i was getting at. this one was hearsay, but then there's no body, so that's -- you just got to, what i was trying to ask. so, listen, does drew peterson have any chance of overturning the conviction? >> you know, they always say bad facts make bad law. if this were not drew peterson, a very hated man here in illinois, i think his conviction could be overturned, because there just was no evidence. no confession, no hard evidence, no eyewitness, no, really, anything except hearsay. but will the courts do that? politically, it's going to be very difficult to convince a panel of judges to let this guy out of jail. >> and as you see from the video, drew peterson smiling the through most of it there. all right. thank you, karen.